by Robert McGarvey

Regular Brancatelli readers know that Joe is extremely pessimistic about life on the road this year – “crisis” is a common descriptor in his arsenal. So there may be good news for concerned readers in a recent SAP Concur survey that found business travelers grumbling that if their demands aren’t met they just may leave their bags unpacked and stay home.

But the real news is that those numbers are gaining enough bulk to win notice by corporate higher-ups.

SAP Concur warns that the grumbling is so loud and it is coming from so many that there may be resignations: “Sixty-one percent of global business travelers are unhappy with their current travel schedules. Nearly a quarter of them are a flight risk.“

That is, almost 25% are so grumpy they just may be circulating their resumes.

What’s the root of the problem?

The rub, according to SAP Concurs, is that more business travelers have higher expectations about their health and safety when they travel for business. Others have sustainability concerns. Another SAP Concur survey found that 88% of business travelers say they will take steps to reduce their carbon impact if their companies go along. Many business travelers believe their employers just don’t give enough of a hoot about these matters. This is a season of widespread discontent. But it is discontent that appears to be breeding not just grumbles but actions.

Some are choosing to leave their bags unpacked as a result.

“This year’s survey revealed that a degree of unhappiness and anxiety persists among business travelers and travel managers worldwide,” said Charlie Sultan, president of Concur Travel. 

Various numbers in the survey underline the extent of the unhappiness.

82% of business travelers say their employer is returning to pre-pandemic travel levels with an important difference: fewer people are traveling much more (and many are traveling less). The rainmakers who turn travel into dollars are out on the road and they apparently are staying out there because they keep bringing money in the door.

But 91% want their company to offer more flexibility in travel arrangements due to traveler health and safety concerns.

And 52% say they will decline a business trip if the arrangements don’t satisfy their Covid concerns.

24% say they will decline a trip if it involves non-sustainable travel options.

A bottomline: travel increasingly is seen not as a perk but as a bother and a risky one at that. This fact is illustrated by a startling stat: “travelers aren’t willing to accept a position that requires more travel without added perks: 92% say they’d need additional salary, benefits, or travel flexibility to take a position with more travel.” That is, just about everybody now wants more of something to justify travel. Used to be, many took a job precisely because it afforded lots of travel. Now employees want to be compensated for hitting the road.

Understand, too, increasing numbers of experts believe Covid will be with us a very long time. The good news is that many of the variants seem to be mild – truly flu-like – but quite possibly very contagious. I personally know more people now with active Covid than ever before. Yes, the cases are mild (most tell me they have no symptoms) – but travel in crowded airports and flying on stuffed planes are reliable ways to get Covid. Health and safety concerns on the road are not going to vanish anytime soon.

So the employees who are demanding some flexibility in travel arrangements to up their chances of staying healthy are doing the smart thing.

My advice: do likewise. Don’t accept a trip unless your health is protected. I know I will be doing that.

Incidentally, it’s not just business travelers who are feeling stressed. Traveler managers too are feeling the heat. Noted SAP Concur: “All surveyed travel managers (100%) expect their role to be more challenging in the next 12 months compared to last year, with nearly half (49%) reporting that the stress is coming from above, through increasing pressure from senior leadership to demonstrate the ROI of their role.“

Life on the road just isn’t going to get smoother. Not this summer. Probably not this year.

Keep that bag unpacked.

SAP Concur has a one minute snappy video that succinctly presents the survey finding. Watch it here.

by Robert McGarvey

Just six months ago, BNPL (Buy Now Pay Later) seemed to be on every lip in credit union c-suites as executives eyed the rosy reports of robust lending at fintechs such as Klarna and Affirm but then came May and Klarna laid off 10% of its workforce amid a souring of the global economy and soaring worries about inflation, certainly in the U.S. where a gallon of gasoline now is around $5, up from about $4.35 just a month ago.

Add in the fact that the CFPB has opened an inquiry into BNPL and formally requested buckets of information from leading BNPL players and, suddenly, that screech you hear are the brakes being applied to BNPL at many, many financial institutions, credit unions definitely among them.

Dark clouds surround BNPL.

Continued at CUInsight

by Robert McGarvey

The Travel Weekly headline gave me shudders: “It’s trays down once again as U.S. airlines restore meal service.”

The photo of the food made me gag.

Per the story, Delta, American and United are all shoveling gruel at their front of the plane passengers and, increasingly, in the back of the bus food manque is for sale

Put down that fork. And vow with me: I will not eat airline food.

It doesn’t matter what class of carriage. The stuff is not something one should eat.

Say it loud, say it proud, say it until you mean it.

Not even stroopwafel, which can’t possibly be good for you.

I stand with Gordon Ramsey with this (and I never thought I’d write that). Here’s what he told Refinery 29: “There’s no f–king way I eat on planes. I worked for airlines for 10 years, so I know where this food’s been and where it goes, and how long it took before it got on board.”

There’s even a website Airline Meals where passengers document, typically in words and pix, how appalling their food has been.

When Time Magazine ate some airline food, it offered this comment: “Low air pressure and background noises further impact the way we taste, by repressing the ability to taste sweet and salty foods…. For food to taste the same before it is in the air, airline caterers have to add up to 30% more of sugar or salt to a meal.”

I don’t want to put that stuff in my mouth.

Yet a fact is that. just maybe, airline food isn’t as bad as we think – but the environment (low air pressure, often very low humidity, noise) affects our taste buds and, very probably, it would require an explosion of flavors to make any kind of impression.

That’s also why buying take-away food at airport concessions – and there are increasing numbers of good options (at Phoenix Sky Harbor there’s an emphasis on local favorites such as Zinc Brasserie, La Grande Orange, and Matt’s Big Breakfast) – is not such a smart move. It generally won’t taste like much at altitude. Eat it in the airport and enjoy it more. At 30,000 ft. not much will taste good.

That’s why when I believe I will be hungry on a flight I usually buy a bag of nuts and maybe a Starbucks coffee. A 4 oz bag of cashews packs 650 calories and that’s around 100 more than a Big Mac. The nuts will tide you over on a x-country flight. And they also are modestly good for us.

That last bit matters because the research says that frequent flying is bad for our health – and so the smarter we eat at 30,000 feet the better for our health.

As for the research, it’s in a Harvard Business Review article by Columbia University professor Andrew Rundle. The professor had access to mounds of deidentified data from EHE which has data from tens of thousands of US employees including both health and travel info.

Rundle wanted to know if a diet of steady travel – which he sets at 14 or more nights way from home monthly – impacts health.

Wrote Rundle: “We found a strong correlation between the frequency of business travel and a wide range of physical and behavioral health risks.”

What risks? The heavy travelers self-reported “clinical symptoms of anxiety, depression and alcohol dependence; no physical activity or exercise; smoking; and trouble sleeping.”

Really frequent travelers – those away from home 21 or more nights monthly – fared even worse. Wrote Rundle: “The odds of being obese were 92% higher for those who traveled 21 or more nights per month compared to those who traveled only one to six nights per month, and this ultra-traveling group also had higher diastolic blood pressure and lower high density lipoprotein (the good cholesterol).”

Ouch.

Of course, in the last two pandemic years, there have been few of us logging 21 nights away monthly or even 14.

But the growing crowds at airports augur a return of business travel. I remain convinced that business travel will never again reach the levels of 2019 – but I also believe that the heaviest travelers in 2019 will again soon be traveling heavily and maybe already are. Their travel rings the corporate cash register, it brings in new customers and keeps existing customers happy.

For those heavy travelers in particular but for all of us too, a simple step towards slightly better road health is to skip the airline inflight meals, reduce or eliminate inflight alcohol consumption, and be mindful of what we eat and drink in airports and hotels.

That regimen is no cure. But it’s a step. And that’s smarter than falling back into bad old habits like eating inflight food just because it kills time.

But maybe it kills more than that.

Just say no.

by Robert McGarvey

Three recent trade industry headlines have made clear to me that, suddenly, in addition to weighing issues such as Covid and environmental impacts of travel I must also factor in ethics. Why? Read the headlines:

CNBC: Carnival is Exploring Sale of Seabourn to Saudi Investors

Saudi Arabia to Spend $1 Trillion Over a Decade to Build a Global Tourism Economy

Hotel companies lured by lavish Saudi Arabia projects must find way to balance humanitarian promises

The Saudi goal is bold: to attract 100 million tourists yearly by 2030.

The Saudis know which way the wind is blowing. Between a global shift away from fossil fuels and the inevitable depletion of the country’s oil reserves, the petroleum cash gusher that has propped up this country won’t last forever.

So why not pour cash into buying a stake in the global tourist economy? Especially now when assets are cheap (vide Seabourn).

Know this: Saudi Arabia is by no means the only nation that wants tourist dollars but which would be viewed as ethically repugnant by many. Think Myanmar, Russia, Yemen, and Iran for a start on a global human rights violators list.

But, honestly, most of those nations take half hearted approaches to tourism.

And US companies are skittish about doing business in them – even with Russia, now, post the Ukraine invasion.

Saudi Arabia is different. It is actively wooing US businesses and it is waving wads of riyals to get their attention. It is working.

Marriot, Hilton and Hyatt all have signaled intent to develop properties on Saudi sand – Hyatt is saying it will open a Miraval at a Red Sea resort and Marriott is blabbering about a Ritz-Carlton.

Will they actually attract US tourists?

Fact is, Saudi Arabia already has a thriving tourism industry that is centered on religious tourism.

But now the Saudi eyes have shifted to winning tourists from western Europe and the US and, it believes, it has the goods to sell them, notably the Red Sea – sometimes islands in it are referred to as the Saudi Maldives – but there also are ruins, stunning (if sandy) landscapes, and coast lines and mountains.

It’s not just the monotone sandbox many Americans believe it to be.

So why not go there?

This is where ethics and personal choices enter the equation.

Of course there have long been suggestions of significant involvement by powerful Saudi officials in 9/11, a claim many take as fact although there is little hard evidence. It is undeniable however that 15 of the hijackers were Saudi citizens. That’s out of a total of 19.

Then there is the murder of Wapo columnist Jamal Khashoggi at a Saudi consulate in Istanbul – a sadistic killing that many say was authorized at the highest level of the Saudi government. But the official Saudi position is this was a rogue killing.

The Saudis also have a medley of oppressive laws, from a ban on alcohol and pork products (don’t even joke about a breakfast of a Bloody Mary and a Bacon Butty) and modest dress is mandatory. It is illegal to carry binoculars in Saudi Arabia.

It is also illegal to carry two passports in the country (something I have always done for 30+ years).

It is illegal to possess photos of scantily glad women. Don’t try to bring in a Playboy or even the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.

It gets worse. The Saudis are serious violators of human rights.

A 2020 US State Department report on Saudi Arabia noted: “Significant human rights issues included: unlawful killings; executions for nonviolent offenses; forced disappearances; torture and cases of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment of prisoners and detainees by government agents; harsh and life-threatening prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention; political prisoners or detainees; serious restrictions on free expression, the press, and the internet, including threats of violence or unjustified arrests or prosecutions against journalists, censorship, site blocking, and engaging in harassment and intimidation against Saudi dissidents living abroad; substantial interference with the freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association; severe restrictions of religious freedom; restrictions on freedom of movement; inability of citizens to choose their government peacefully through free and fair elections; violence and discrimination against women, although new women’s rights initiatives were implemented; trafficking in persons; criminalization of consensual same-sex sexual activity; and restrictions on workers’ freedom of association, including prohibition of trade unions and collective bargaining.”

A 2021 Amnesty International report on Saudi Arabia said: “The crackdown continued on the rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly. The Specialized Criminal Court handed down heavy prison terms to individuals for their human rights work and expression of dissenting views. Among those arbitrarily detained, prosecuted or sentenced were human rights defenders, government critics and other political activists. Women human rights defenders were subjected to judicially imposed travel bans following conditional release from prison. Courts resorted extensively to the death penalty and people were executed for a wide range of crimes. Migrant workers continued to be vulnerable to abuse and exploitation under the country’s sponsorship system, and tens of thousands were arbitrarily detained and subsequently deported. Prison authorities violated the right to health of human rights defenders and others imprisoned after grossly unfair trials.”

Nope, that’s not a country where I would plan to spend my volitional leisure travel dollars or time.

Very probably you soon will have to make your own decision on the Saudi question. Their intentions are plain, their money is plentiful, and they are in a hurry to make a mark in global tourism. Will you help them?

I know I won’t.

by Robert McGarvey

You’ve heard about the Great Resignation, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported the quit rate exploded from 1.6% of jobholders in April 2020 to 6.4% in August 2021. Why are they quitting? Many of them are employees who finally decided to take a big breath in and make the jump into the full-time pursuit of their own side hustle.

Continued on Startup Savant

by Robert McGarvey

Another shoe just fell and unless you closely follow Iberian news you probably didn’t hear it. Spain has suddenly eased its requirements for unvaccinated Americans to enter the country, now demanding simply a negative result on a Covid test. Previously Spain had required the unvaccinated to provide proof of recovery from a recent case of coronavirus, meaning the person had antibodies and thus a natural immunity.

What prompted this? Reported the Washington Post, “The Spanish minister of industry, trade and tourism, María Reyes Maroto, said in an announcement that the ‘new phase of the pandemic’ allowed the country to relax the entry rules. The country saw a 9 percent drop in daily cases over the past week, with 229 new cases per 100,000 people in the past seven days as of Monday, according to tracking data compiled by The Washington Post.” 

I am following Spain’s behavior because I vacationed there last fall, in part because I liked their requirement that all Americans who entered had to be vaccinated. I have another trip there planned for this fall. I am not thrilled by this easing of entry requirements so I will monitor what happens to the Iberian infection rate.

But Spain is just the start. The more I think on it the more I see a troubling stampede to eliminate Covid related protections – even though the disease is still out there and it is still killing.

Where? Try here, in the US of A. Unlike Spain, the US in fact now is seeing rise case numbers, indeed double digit increases. The New York Times reports a staggering 53% jump in the number of cases in the past 14 days…and the real number is doubtless higher because the proliferation of at home test kits means innumerable positives are noted but not recorded (and, we hope, the affected individuals choose to self isolate but who knows?).

Worse probably is coming. This is a Walt Kelly moment and we have met the enemy and he is us.

We are suddenly behaving as though Covid had been defeated. Even when – quite obviously – it remains very much on the prowl for victims among us.

I definitely am not preaching do as I do. My own recent behavior, looked at through this Covid lens, embarrasses me.

My guard isn’t down, it has fled. On Friday night I went to a buzzy, busy, crowded restaurant in Phoenix – Scott Conant’s Mora Italian, don’t miss the polenta or the pasta pomodoro. The food was great. But, although the servers were masked, I wasn’t and neither were many others. It was only when I was back home and reviewing a very pleasant meal in my head that the thought suddenly occurred: what the hell was I thinking (or not thinking).

But my behavior gets weirder. On Saturday I went with my wife to a matinee of the new Downton movie (no sniggers, sometimes one does what one needs to do) and again did not even think of a mask. Honestly it did not matter. There was one other person in the theater – which seats probably 150 – so we were fine. But what if 50 had tumbled in? What if?

On Sunday I went to a church service, again without a mask. Probably 250 were at the service, a crowd but not jammed. (Capacity is said to be around 500.) I noted maybe a half dozen people wearing masks. The rest were maskless. Including me.

How dumb are we?

The NYTimes Covid tracker shows an 84% jump in Covid cases in metro Phoenix in the past two weeks. That’s a huge leap.

America also remains vaccine stupid, where a full one third of us are not fully vaccinated. In Arizona, where I live, 38% aren’t (a lot of Stop the Steal cretins here).

Yeah, I am vaccinated and doubly boosted – but I also know that many fully vaccinated have come down with cases of Covid as new variants emerge. That’s not unexpected.

Here’s my vow: the mask goes back on my face in public settings because Arizona remains a dangerous place.

It ain’t back to normal yet.

No matter how much I wish it were.

It won’t be normal until we defeat this virus. That means acting smart. And safe.

Me too.

by Robert McGarvey

The American Express offer jumped out at me and how could I miss it because it was at the very top of the list of 100 offers available to me: Get 20,000 Amex Miles just by signing up for Pay Over Time, an Amex response to the rapid rise of BNPL (Buy Now Pay later) options for consumers who are buying everything from Goldbelly lobster rolls to Peloton exercise machines via BNPL.

20,000 miles is nothing to sniff at and, by the accounting of ThePointsGuy, that cache is worth $400 (at two cents a mile). My accounting is more conservative but I would still say it is worth $200. Just for signing up.

Different cardholders are offered different mileage amounts to sign up. Some are offered zilch. Others may be offered more than 20,000. Some may be tempted with 30,000.

Sign up and what happens is that eligible purchases are shuffled into Pay Over Time – where interest charges and fees apply – and that happens at 8pm ET if your Pay Over Time setting is set to active. If not set to active the charges of course do not tumble into that bucket.

What is especially intriguing about the Amex 20,000 mile offer is that there appears to be no obligation to actually use the Pay Over Time feature. Ever. It seems one can sign up, wait for the miles to deposit, then rush over and deactivate Pay Over Time.

With a Platinum Card, eligible purchases are $100 and over. I understand that lower thresholds apply to Green Card purchases but have not confirmed that.

Experts report that interest rates in Pay Over Time may reach up to 23.24% and fees may also be applied, up to 1.33%.

I have not signed up for that offer.

Understand, I have very occasionally used versions of BNPL in recent years – notably to buy an iPad Air a few years ago and, last week, when I was about to purchase an iPhone 12 (for the 5G speeds – I live in a T-Mo neighborhood with lots of good 5G) Apple offered me two year financing at 0 percent interest with no application because I had an existing account.

But I also have turned down -indeed mocked – BNPL offers from other vendors such as Goldbelly which offered to finance a Jacques Torres box of chocolates (probably the best in America) over three payments which seemed a laughable idea for something that would be eaten in three days.

BNPL really is not aimed at me. Its core target are consumers with thin credit histories – not bad, just not much.

So why is Amex offering me a BNPL service?

Beats me.

Why won’t I sign up for the Amex BNPL?

Yes, I know that if I take all the precautionary steps – and remember to read Amex emails about Pay Over Time – I won’t ever have to pay a penny in interest. But I also know the probability is high I won’t read the emails because, well, I read very few emails that land in my inbox because way too many do.

I also have more Amex Miles than I presently have a use for. Another 20,000 would just gather some kind of metaphorical dust.

And, lastly. nowadays I am slowly easing the Amex Plat card back into its original role which is as a travel and entertainment card and, constitutionally, I just am opposed to paying interest on travel and restaurant bills. Those are charges that – in my mind – should be paid off as they arrive.

You think differently? That is your right. And know that many travel vendors see their sector as a BNPL hot zone.

But to me leisure travel, restaurant meals, etc. are non essentials and ought to be paid for with surplus money.

Have I always thought that way? Nope and I got the credit bruises to focus my mind on a more targeted deployment of credit tools. Basically I like credit for a home mortgage, for a car loan, and probably not much else. That’s a conservative approach, I know it’s not for everyone, but it works for me.

And I’ll even skip the 20,000 Amex Mile gift – just call me Odysseus.

 What happens when you throw a bunch of ex-Googlers into an office in San Mateo California?

Enter Upstart, a new breed lending company that helps financial institutions – credit unions very much included – make more, better unsecured loans and also do auto refinancing.

Upstart comes at lending with a focus on artificial intelligence, machine learning, and doing a lot of data crunching.  Using Upstart’s analytics an institution approves a higher percentage of loans – but also enjoys a lower default rate. 

How can that be? According to Jeff Keltner, who heads business development at Upstart and is himself an ex Googler, lots of models plain look at the wrong data when making credit decisions.

Upstart has a page full of dazzling stats about how its models perform versus traditional lending models.  Check it out.

20+ years ago I interviewed the Google founders for MIT’s Technology Review magazine. Here’s that story. 

Listen up.

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by Robert McGarvey

This is the year to make a vow, this is the year to travel meaningfully.

That means no more stupid check the box trips (“I’m going to the Azores because I’ve never been”), no more trips driven by envy (“everybody’s been to Kenya so I gotta go”). no more trips taken just to fill time in a vacation season where it seems everybody else is traveling.

Do note: this primarily applies to leisure travel. A lot of the business travel I have taken and will take is, er, meaning deficient. Somebody thinks I should be in Chicago and, well, there’s no pressing conflicts in my calendar so, sure, I will go. Nowadays I will grumble, I will try to invoke alternatives (“will a Zoom call suffice”), but when the order is given I will pack and go.

Leisure travel on the other hand is largely within my control and so this year my travel will be meaningful.

What’s that mean?

I’m riffing on an idea put forth by Wolfgang Georg Arlt in a recent Phocuswire piece where he stated a provocative thesis: “Quality, satisfaction and benefits for all stakeholders involved need to become the guideposts for the tourism development in the 2020s. 

“The world developed economically at an ever-growing speed in last 30 years without a parallel growth of political institutions managing globalization – the climate catastrophe, rise of despotism and the concentration of wealth in ever fewer hands have been the result.”

Too much meaningless travel has been a large contributor to the eco mess we now find ourselves in.

Let’s be honest: overtourism vanished in 2020-2022 but that was a Covid pause, it most certainly wasn’t indicative of a fundamental shift in traveler attitudes. If anything, more of us today are speeding off to Mykonos and Santorini, Vatican City, Paris, and the rest of the travel hotspots.

Locals may grumble, from Florence to Japan about too many tourists, but money is talking louder than common decency and rational planning. This summer will see tsunamis of overtourism – there just is no doubt about it. And the natterers among us will resume their grumbles about too many tourists mindlessly traveling but that won’t change a thing.

It’s time for individual, personal action. It’s time to dig heels in the ground and insist on meaningful travel and that is travel with a purpose (beyond sheer hedonism) and travel that plainly benefits multiple stakeholders. Per Arlt, “‘Meaningful Tourism’ [is] a paradigm that is based on a return to quality, satisfaction and benefits for all stakeholders involved, namely the guests, the host communities, the employees of service providers, the companies, the government and the environment, with quality and satisfaction measured by the stakeholders themselves.”

And it’s not just where we travel, but how we travel and what we do when we get there.

So much leisure travel is and always has been all about me. What do i want to do? How do I feel about that?

In my new mindset I am trying to see my travel through multiple lenses – including the locals and the businesses I will interact with along the way.

The only leisure travel I have planned for this year is a three week trip in the fall to the Iberian Peninsula, to walk a second Camino de Santiago route (the so called Portuguese Camino from Porto to Santiago de Compostela in Spain). This walk will include many nights in small, independent hotels, meals in small, local restaurants and countless coffees along the way bought at small shops.

Pre-trip there will a multi night stay in Lisbon, where I have never been, and post trip there will be a multi night stay in Madrid (if nothing else to again tour the Prado).

(In fall 2021 I did a similar trip, walking a different Camino route only in Spain.)

Just one trans Atlantic roundtrip is involved in this fall’s holiday, the trip is after the peak Camino season (summer) and many small businesses, primarily owned and operated by locals will benefit.

The Camino also is per se a “meaningful” trip because it blends history, architecture, culture, the outdoors, exercise and spirituality into a single package.

Do all trips have to be that heavily laden with obvious meaning? Nope. Meaning is to a large extent in the traveler’s eye. We know what we do that is harmful to the planet and its people and we know what we do that isn’t.

Just do more of the beneficial, less of the harmful, and that is a trip well taken.

 Tell me: do you have a VP of digital assets?

Didn’t think so.

What exactly would such a position do?

Good question.

That’s why you want to pay close attention to this podcast with Joe Keller whose title – drumroll please – is vice president of digital assets at Visions, a $6 billion credit union in upstate New York.

Right, Endicott, New York. Not Cambridge Mass or San Jose Ca. 

Endicott. Which is pretty near Binghamton if that helps place it.

Keller, whose background involved big banks, consulting firms, and startups, might have seemed an unlikely credit union hire.

Keller was brought in by Visions CEO Ty Muse.

You’ll hear Keller’s first reaction to the suggestion – then discover what persuaded him that in fact this was exactly the job he wanted and why getting this right at a credit union genuinely matters.

Incidentally this show is about way more than Bitcoin.  Lots more.  We are deep into an embrace of digital assets and the institutions that get that now will have a head start.

Keller tells how he plans to help Visions get its head start.

And he also tells what he thinks a credit union’s first steps into digital assets should look like.

Listen up.

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